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If one person gave one dollar to one of the bounties and this was done by many people, the amouth would really begin to add up over time. It would give an incentive to programers to do ports/programming.
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| Date: 15 Mar, 2007 on 19:21 |
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last updated at 15 Mar, 2007 21:51 (1 times) No, this method doesn't help. Taxes from citizens are not enough. The government should build roads, build cities and factories using external investments -- http://en.ecomstation.ru/showarticle.php?id=148 |
| Date: 15 Mar, 2007 on 21:11 |
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I was not talking about taxes or the government. I am talking about people contributing money for the bounties. I apologize if this was misunterstood.
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| Date: 16 Mar, 2007 on 20:47 |
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BigWarpGuy (16 Mar, 2007 20:47): I was not talking about taxes or the government. I am talking about people contributing money for the bounties. I apologize if this was misunterstood.
e-co is not being literalist. you have to grasp the poetic nature of the prescription outlined in the link e-co provided. citizens = users taxes = sums collected and perhaps spent unwisely and without a disciplined approach. good government= orgainzation that focuses on what is really needed. marshalls resources to avoid the money being spent repeatedly on the same goal by different uncordinated groups. etc. the link is interesting for its literary character! |
| Date: 16 Mar, 2007 on 21:19 |
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last updated at 17 Mar, 2007 08:52 (1 times) Yes, I also think that the key to success is to "centralize" efforts.
Antonio Serrano. Greetings from Málaga, Spain.
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| Date: 17 Mar, 2007 on 08:51 |
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zman (16 Mar, 2007 21:19):
BigWarpGuy (16 Mar, 2007 20:47): I was not talking about taxes or the government. I am talking about people contributing money for the bounties. I apologize if this was misunderstood.
e-co is not being literalist. you have to grasp the poetic nature of the prescription outlined in the link e-co provided. citizens = users taxes = sums collected and perhaps spent unwisely and without a disciplined approach. good government= organization that focuses on what is really needed. marshals resources to avoid the money being spent repeatedly on the same goal by different uncoordinated groups. etc. the link is interesting for its literary character!
Thank you for clarifying that. With the bounty being designated for a port or program, would it considered being spent perhaps unwisely? The person (tax payer?) donating (being 'taxed'?) indicating what it goes for is indicating how it is to be spent.
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| Date: 17 Mar, 2007 on 12:09 |
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| A more realistic method of funding further development of eCS is for SSI to simply raise the damn price of its products. Every other method of ongoing funding lobbed in here by well meaning, intelligent eCS and OS2 users is swizzlesome phony fizz wishing (i.e. akin to "my beer is warm and flat and undrinkable - I wish everybody would hold hands, wish on a star and make the cute beer bubbles come back. . . .") In my humble opinion, it should cease to be possible to buy an upgrade to eCS 2.x without that upgrade forming one part of a two year subscription to the chosen product. Product one should be the enhanced OS, with two years of upgrades and enhancements. Product two should be the OpenOffice port with a few extras (eg. either Norman antivirus or eSchemes Deluxe or something else that needs our $$$ support (Java 6 ??) thrown in, with a two year upgrade and enhancements subscription. SSI would then be able to accumulate enough cash at one point in time to be able to prudently invest in major (paid) development work -knowing that they will have enough $$$ to get the job done. Just my 2.x cents  KL/2 |
| Date: 20 Mar, 2007 on 23:29 |
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| The eCS user base is way too small to raise money for commercial development, even if the price of the products tripled. The current plan, coordinating volunteer efforts, is brilliant. Perhaps the greatest missing factor is someone organizing the information for end-users. Another piece that would be great is a plan to attract new users. The number of OS/2 users or people who would buy eCS 2.0 if it was packaged appropriately is unknown. We need marketing help more than we need technical help at this point. If the number of eCS subscribers was just 10 times greater, there would be a lot more development possibilities.
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| Date: 21 Mar, 2007 on 15:57 |
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| I agree that "coordinating volunteer efforts" is a brilliant approach. . . . . .but more volunteers would stay (or join) the eCS and OS2 developer community if there was at least SOME monetary reward to recognise their commitment of time and resources. They richly deserve $$ in recognition of their achievements. I am not suggesting any "commercial development" process; I am advocating the benefits of a "single purse" (held and allocated by SSI). Putting all the development $$ under the control of one organisation makes more sense than collecting many tiny little piles of $$ each of which is too small to make a difference. If consolidated, a given level of funding produces more good outcomes than it does when dispersed too thinly over many different projects. SSI is as indispensible to us as Linus has been to Linux. Let them steer the boat. Give them the $$ to refuel that boat and get it running faster and smoother. By doubling or tripling the price of its products - justified (a) by the resultant increase in SSI's core product development budget; and (b) by including extra non-free accessories such as Norman antivirus and/or eSchemes Deluxe (for example) then the value proposition of eCS is likely to be much greater. I would rather pay more into that "single purse" held and allocated by SSI (as a part of a biennial upgrade price) than contribute to any one of the mooted "bounty" schemes. That, and only that, will see user numbers stabilise, then rise. KL/2 |
| Date: 21 Mar, 2007 on 23:39 |
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| Bear in mind that when the sale price of anything rises, the number of units sold decreases. Generally, the price is you see is the price that has been determined to maximize the total profit. You can be sure SSI, like any business, continually reassesses the pricing and sales structure to assure this. The other thing to remember is the cost of professional development. Below a certain sustainable level, money makes virtually no difference. That is why Wishlist is very right that money from users should be concentrated as much as possible at SSI. BlondeGuy is right that coordinating volunteer efforts is the most effective way to maximize talented development for the platform at this point. |
| Date: 22 Mar, 2007 on 00:40 |
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| Yes, Obiwan - when price rises then volumes fall, for a given product. But what I am thinking of is changing the product offered for sale. To illustrate: Have you tried to buy a single $1 comb lately ? In the places where I buy such mundane things, you have to buy a packet of five combs for $4. The store owner will not allow you to buy just one comb, as he wants higher sales per transaction. He believes his business profit is thus maximised. I am suggesting SSI do the same as the convenience store owner eg. decline to sell you just one product and instead offer you five at a better yet also higher price. To illustrate: eCS 2.0 might sell for, say, $50 with, say, no right receive any extra enhancements released after the date of sale. But what if, say, "eCS 2.1" sold for $150 but included, say, a two year subscription to Norman antivirus, an eSchemes Deluxe license and the right to Java 6 (within 18 months, or your money back, um, 50% of it, say). With enough $$ and enough developers, so much more could be done. KL/2 PS: if somebody gets Excel XP running smoothly on eCS with no need for an MS Windows licence - lets send that person to Hawaii for a week of sun, surf & new social opportunities. . . |
| Date: 22 Mar, 2007 on 14:37 |
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| This sounds roughly like the old Application Pack bundle offered with eComStation 1.1, and the current Software Subscription offering with BetaZone access. Notice that JFS, ACPI and OO.o development have been given priority over Java 6. I'm not sure how much of Excel XP you mean, but that would seem at the minimum to require updating Odin, porting Mono for .Net, and some solution to run Visual Basic. Which is a lot. |
| Date: 22 Mar, 2007 on 17:47 |
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| The decisions to prioritise ACPI, bootable JFS and OOo/2 are all correct IMHO (see the Warp Wishlist, "top 10"). Had SSI's sales receipts been 150% higher (see my "five combs" analogy above) over the past two years; then (assuming a constant profit margin) there would have been 150% more $$ to fund ACPI, bootable JFS and OOo/2 development. I believe there is no point to shipping eCS 2.x until ACPI and bootable JFS are working perfectly. But once they and the other great enhancements are meeting their performance and stability goals, and the product goes Gold, SSI receipts will STILL be far lower than what they would have been, had additional non-free software been part of the base product. This forced co-joining of different projects into one product is, in one way, different to the application pack idea, as it does not force people to pay for applications they may not want. It does however force them (sorry) to pay for useful non-free stuff like Norman antivirus and or, say, eSchemes Deluxe. Which specific products get glued to the OS as a part of the base offering is not my point - my point is that they should be utilities and OS enhancements, rather than "applications" eg. OOo/2 or, say, Electroteller. Just my 2.x cents  KL/2 |
| Date: 23 Mar, 2007 on 00:09 |
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| I had another thought about this subject. Historically the largest impediment to the profitability of OS/2 development has been the overdominance of the Microsoft Empire. While we can't really cure that problem, if we keep that in mind we can take some simple steps to not be part of perpetuating it. For example, when buying hardware, go out of your way not to buy a Windows license. The money you save is money in the hands of an OS/2 user instead of MS and its middlemen. Otherwise avoiding Microsoft software as much as possible not only keeps our spending money away from them but chips away at the assumption that MSOffice formats, Internet Explorer, Windows Media, etc., are all universally compatible. Rather, OSX, Linux, *BSD, and Solaris are collectively raising awareness of a larger world, and one whose technologies OS/2 can and does import to improve our user experience. The more we "play along" with and encourage acceptance of non-MS computing in general, disassociating from and discouraging MS, the better our situation gets, even without development specifically for OS/2, although that is necessary too. |
| Date: 23 Mar, 2007 on 21:14 |
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