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Kim
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1. Common File Open/Save Dialog
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Supporting thread for the Common File Open/Save Dialog bounty.
Date: 16 Feb, 2006 on 17:21
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2. Re:Common File Open/Save Dialog
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hi Kim,
where can i found more info about this bounty ?
Date: 01 Mar, 2006 on 00:10
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Hi ciccios2,

..either here:
http://www.os2world.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?category=57&id=1139498236
(The link within Kim's posting)

...or: Simply ask me. I started this bounty.

Greetings
Thomas

Date: 01 Mar, 2006 on 16:58
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4. Re:Common File Open/Save Dialog
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Hi all.

I have just joined this one.

Thomas, please can you explain if you are accepting suggestions for the Dialog at this stage?

If so, may I suggest that you look at the old XFile dialog replacement - it got many things right (for a text dialog), and I still use it here.

Or are you waiting for the Bounty to reach the required amount for development to start?

Can you please tell us what the requred amount is?

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Date: 02 Mar, 2006 on 13:21
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5. Re:Common File Open/Save Dialog
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Hello all,

well, I'm not going to develop anything. I'm just the sponsor (the only one up to now, but someone else also was interested in sponsoring some amount, but he has no paypal account...)
The reason for me not developing simply is, that I don't know the right languages for implementing an alternate "control", dialog or dll in os/2. I'm just a rexx "developer" to some extent.

As for suggestions: Yes, come on and bring them in!

I don't know the XFile dialogs. Never heard of that. Is that something like xworkplace's extensions? Where can I download that to take a look?

What I actually want is a new open/save dialog with:
- a (drive selection, etc.) drop down list that opens when clicking on the list type as well; not only when clicking the "downwards arrow" button.
- a user-defined list of "frequently used" paths for quick selection instead of clicking my way through the file system
- alternate views like in windows: detailed, large/small icons or even small previews if files are images/pictures
- when "opening" a file: The ability to have either a preview for pictures (like mentioned above) or a "play" button if I'm dealing with sound files
- ability to create a new folder (by button, context menu) from within the "save" dialog
- a "file types" filter that works. In OS/2 I almost never saw a working filter (like in windows. Sorry to say that.)
- The new dialog should be used automatically by the system whenever a "common dialog" api call is issued by a progra - thus, a real replacement for the current one.
- The new dialog should (optionally) adopt its look to the scheme a user has chosen for eCS/OS2. So please no fancy look, even if it is great. We rather need function than look.

That's my wish list.
If you have additional suggestions - like I said - bring them in. I don't care if this is done as an "extension" to xworkplace/eworkplace, another enhancer or as a whole new item. I just want someone to understand what I need and come up with a solution. The common dialog is a real "core application", as it is one of the dialogs a user sees and uses most frequently when working with a PC.
If we want to atttract more people to use eCS, we should make THAT dialogs easier and more comfortable to use.

If I find the time tonight, I'll do an "analysis" of the standard os2/eCS dialog with its drawbacks and post it here so everyone should understand what I'm talking about.

Thanks for your support and interest!
Greetings
Thomas

Date: 02 Mar, 2006 on 14:07
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6. Re:Common File Open/Save Dialog
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Hi Thomas,
just a few things to keep in mind (IMHO):


- a (drive selection, etc.) drop down list that opens when clicking on the list type as well; not only when clicking the "downwards arrow" button.

This really does not belong to a file open/save dialog. This should be implemented as a subclass of the drop-down list PM control. There are already at least a couple programs that implement this feature: one is the AMouse mouse driver, the other is NPSWPS.


- when "opening" a file: The ability to have either a preview for pictures (like mentioned above) or a "play" button if I'm dealing with sound files

This would really be great. I think this should be implemented as a generic interface for plugins to the dialog, so that other developers could add previews for the most diverse types of files without having to reimplement the whole thing.


- a "file types" filter that works. In OS/2 I almost never saw a working filter (like in windows. Sorry to say that.)

Also this does not belong to the file open/save dialog. It is a more deeper problem in OS/2 when the file name has multiple dots (if I understand what you're asking). XWP already tried to fix this, and I really liked the way its extended associations worked... but unfortunately it introduces bad incompatibilities.

Hope this helps!

BTW, there is a discussion thread in the eCS mailing list.. there is a developer which is undertaking the job (don't remember his name right now). I pointed him to this bounty, but he didn't want to jump in here.

Bye

Cris

Date: 02 Mar, 2006 on 14:55
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7. Re:Common File Open/Save Dialog
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Cris (02 Mar, 2006 14:55):

- a (drive selection, etc.) drop down list that opens when clicking on the list type as well; not only when clicking the "downwards arrow" button.

This really does not belong to a file open/save dialog. This should be implemented as a subclass of the drop-down list PM control. There are already at least a couple programs that implement this feature: one is the AMouse mouse driver, the other is NPSWPS.


You are absolutely right.
Ehh... NPSWPS does it? Heck - I'm using it but never thought of it. Okay - anyway, people won't have to install NPSWPS only for THAT feature if someone comes up with a solution in the replacement class...


Cris (02 Mar, 2006 14:55):

- when "opening" a file: The ability to have either a preview for pictures (like mentioned above) or a "play" button if I'm dealing with sound files

This would really be great. I think this should be implemented as a generic interface for plugins to the dialog, so that other developers could add previews for the most diverse types of files without having to reimplement the whole thing.



Good idea! A "preview plugin" would be a great!!


Cris (02 Mar, 2006 14:55):

- a "file types" filter that works. In OS/2 I almost never saw a working filter (like in windows. Sorry to say that.)

Also this does not belong to the file open/save dialog. It is a more deeper problem in OS/2 when the file name has multiple dots (if I understand what you're asking).



...yes, that was the point.


Cris (02 Mar, 2006 14:55):
BTW, there is a discussion thread in the eCS mailing list.. there is a developer which is undertaking the job (don't remember his name right now). I pointed him to this bounty, but he didn't want to jump in here.
Cris

...he doesn't need to jump in. If he finishes the task, he simply needs to claim the bounty - that's it.
Okay, seriously: I think that if the sponsors agree to send the money to someone who didn't actually claim the bounty, the bounty manager most probably will do so. Or, I'll claim the bounty in the name of the programmer and send him the bucks.
...At least, if the programmer doesn't explicitly refuses to accept the bounty.

Greetings
Thomas

Date: 02 Mar, 2006 on 16:59
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8. Re:Common File Open/Save Dialog
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Here's a link to x-file at bmtmicro.
I've used it for years. Neat package -
It does everything I need.
http://www.bmtmicro.com/BMTCatalog/os2/xfile.html

warpcafe (02 Mar, 2006 14:0:
Hello all,

well, I'm not going to develop anything. I'm just the sponsor (the only one up to now, but someone else also was interested in sponsoring some amount, but he has no paypal account...)
The reason for me not developing simply is, that I don't know the right languages for implementing an alternate "control", dialog or dll in os/2. I'm just a rexx "developer" to some extent.

As for suggestions: Yes, come on and bring them in!

I don't know the XFile dialogs. Never heard of that. Is that something like xworkplace's extensions? Where can I download that to take a look?

What I actually want is a new open/save dialog with:........


Date: 02 Mar, 2006 on 19:10
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Dave (02 Mar, 2006 19:10):
Here's a link to x-file at bmtmicro.
I've used it for years. Neat package -
It does everything I need.
http://www.bmtmicro.com/BMTCatalog/os2/xfile.html

I've been using it for years too, but I have a few complaints with it.

- It doesn't preview,

- you can't make multi-tiered directories,

- you can't adjust the width

- it's a bit on the ugly side,

- You only get a file list of its own construction; no icon views, details or anything WPS.

- You can't alias favourite directories. That is to say that you can't name I:\This\is\a\long\directory\change\me\temp
to just Temp.

...and a few other things that slip my mind right now.

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Date: 03 Mar, 2006 on 00:01
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