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Ben Dragon
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21. Re:eCS v2.x?
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I would like to see a new release of Papyrus for OS/2. I know that it may just happen and I'll be sure to buy a copy. BTW... does any know if the new version of Papyrus supports the OO document standard?

WRT OO1.1.5, (or 1.1.4 for that matter), using the ar5os2.exe technique leaves one without the ability to print. I know you can export to PDF and print from there, but it sure is a pain.

I'd spring the cash for the proper installer, but I just don't find OO as useful as SSuite so it sits on the desktop only for compatibility with my wife's computer... but I sure do love the font enhancement!

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Date: 20 Oct, 2005 on 16:57
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Hi,

As far as Samba goes, from what I've heard, there are a few big benefits.

Frist, with apparently IBM file/print client, there is a limitation on the file size which can be transfered (4 Gigs I think?) An individual file larger then the limitation will not transfer properly (I havn't tested this myself, but read something about it somewhere). Samba doesn't have this limitation (or if it does have a file size limitation, it is much larger). For most files this isn't a problem, but if you're doing anything with (for example) uncompressed video files, uncompressed audio, etc - the files can get huge pretty quick.

Second, the Samba client can see the "long file names" which Windows 95/98/ME generates. IBM File/Print only sees the "shortened" 8.3 filenames coming off such a machine.

Also, it used to be true with the older version of Samba/2 (1.9.x) :

http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/samba/samba2.html

that Samba had a smaller memory footprint then the File/Print sharing, so on machines with lower system resources, this could be useful. I have no idea if this is still the case on the latest version.

Also, as mentioned, file/print isn't going to see updates from IBM (the only updates I see potentially happening is *if* a major security issue is found, I could see IBM providing a fix for it... but I don't even see that happening... by now the product has been around long enough that any security issues have likely been already found and fixed). Samba receives frequent updates.

Date: 20 Oct, 2005 on 18:25
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23. Re:eCS v2.x?
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Fahrvenugen (20 Oct, 2005 18:25):
Frist, with apparently IBM file/print client, there is a limitation on the file size which can be transfered (4 Gigs I think?) An individual file larger then the limitation will not transfer properly (I havn't tested this myself, but read something about it somewhere).


I've ran into this limitation with File/Print before. It's a pain.

Fahrvenugen (20 Oct, 2005 18:25):
Second, the Samba client can see the "long file names" which Windows 95/98/ME generates. IBM File/Print only sees the "shortened" 8.3 filenames coming off such a machine.

Samba had a smaller memory footprint then the File/Print sharing, so on machines with lower system resources, this could be useful. I have no idea if this is still the case on the latest version.


I'm wondering if File/Print and Samba/2 can co-exist.

Given it's advantages over F/P I'm thinking on giving it a try.

Anyone know of any caveats?

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Date: 20 Oct, 2005 on 20:05
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24. Re:eCS v2.x?
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Ben Dragon (20 Oct, 2005 16:57):
I would like to see a new release of Papyrus for OS/2. I know that it may just happen and I'll be sure to buy a copy. BTW... does any know if the new version of Papyrus supports the OO document standard?

WRT OO1.1.5, (or 1.1.4 for that matter), using the ar5os2.exe technique leaves one without the ability to print. I know you can export to PDF and print from there, but it sure is a pain.

I'd spring the cash for the proper installer, but I just don't find OO as useful as SSuite so it sits on the desktop only for compatibility with my wife's computer... but I sure do love the font enhancement!



I would like to see a working current Papyrus if only for the sake of choice but it does have a disadvantage: Papyrus costs - OO does not.


It would not be worth installing an Office suite that could not print. That is why I gave up on the Innotek OO betas; the printer I had at the time was not supported by OO and printed crap! Please see this article for what I mean:- http://www.os2voice.org/vnl/past_issues/VNL0405H/vnewsf2.htm

I seem to recall that the last Innotek beta I tried would not print unless it was Registered! - Which set me off looking at how to run OO using Odin or similar (ar5os2.exe).

If you have installed OO115 using ar5os2.exe there is no restriction on printing except for those printers which are not well supported, something to do with the omni driver implementation with some printers being much better supported than others.

Or maybe you are saying that OO115 cannot print at all? - If that is the case it suggests you have something left over from an Innotek beta install somewhere that prevents printing.

I suspect I would be tempted by an Innotek "port" of OO2.

As far as font enhancement goes have you tried adding wordpro.exe to the necessary windows registry key using Regedit2? Not being a SS user these days I have not but lots of things seem to work OK with the Innotek font engine - you'll have to check through the readme to discover which registry key to add to, Sorry.

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Date: 20 Oct, 2005 on 21:51
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Or maybe you are saying that OO115 cannot print at all? - If that is the case it suggests you have something left over from an Innotek beta install somewhere that prevents printing.


That is correct WRT "cannot print at all."

I have never installed the innotek OO betas on this machine so that's not a factor.

I simply dropped the windows OO on the icon to install. Everything went well and works fine otherwise.


As far as font enhancement goes have you tried adding wordpro.exe to the necessary windows registry key using Regedit2? Not being a SS user these days I have not but lots of things seem to work OK with the Innotek font engine - you'll have to check through the readme to discover which registry key to add to, Sorry.

I did that a few times when the Font enhancement came out and recently. The results are unuseable. 8(

I'll have to fiddle around with things and do a bit of research on getting the printer to work. The printer works fine with other apps.

The Omni drivers do not include my Epson Actionlaser 1500 so that's not an option.

The printer is on another eCS machine and accessed via the network... that might have something to do with it.


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Date: 20 Oct, 2005 on 23:25
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What I've found to work well for fonts is a combination of the Innotek Freetype driver, and the older Freetype.dll driver - running as a replacement for IBM's truetype.dll

The older Freetype DLL - while it didn't have full anti-aliased fonts, it does offer a better display of truetype fonts then the IBM driver.

http://www.freetype.org/ft_os2/index.html

I'm not sure if the ZIP is still available on their server there or not. If not, I think it is on Hobbes.

Date: 21 Oct, 2005 on 03:23
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Ben Dragon (20 Oct, 2005 23:25):

That is correct WRT "cannot print at all."

I have never installed the innotek OO betas on this machine so that's not a factor.

I simply dropped the windows OO on the icon to install. Everything went well and works fine otherwise.

Did you Register OO115 during the install? - the easy option is to select whatever the "Already Registered" option is. My reason for mentioning this is that it may be the cause of non-printing.

I did that a few times when the Font enhancement came out and recently. The results are unuseable. 8(

I'll have to fiddle around with things and do a bit of research on getting the printer to work. The printer works fine with other apps.

The Omni drivers do not include my Epson Actionlaser 1500 so that's not an option.

The printer is on another eCS machine and accessed via the network... that might have something to do with it.



That is something that happended to me with Wordpro at one point - could not print to a printer attached to another PC while other apps could. This was only resolved when I moved the printer and connected it to the printer port on my then newly purchased router.

Guess you could have the same problem if you did click "Already Registered" during the install.

Presumably OO115 sees the shared printer OK?

Might be worth running through the Printer Setup bit and making sure that correct driver is in use - no driver level mis-matches between the pcs using this printer? All machines using exactly the same driver release? I suspect that may have been the cause of the Wordpro print problem I had...

If I spot any other possible "cures" elsewhere I'll post them here.

Regards

Pete

Date: 22 Oct, 2005 on 16:52
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