| Subject | : | GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Kim |
| Date | : | 01 Feb, 2006 on 14:16 |
| Supporting thread for the GNASH open source Flash 7 bounty. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 12 Mar, 2006 on 11:05 |
FWIW I made some progress on this today - not enough to get it building, but at least in understanding the build process. It _appears_ that Opengl 1.1 is sufficient for this - at least no errors relating to missing functions yet Cheers, Paul. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Cris |
| Date | : | 13 Mar, 2006 on 11:33 |
| Paul: that's great! Thankyou |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 13 Mar, 2006 on 16:30 |
| I look forward to using it instead of the one that was released 'unofficially'. Perhaps Innotek would also have a version of it?
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | pw |
| Date | : | 22 Oct, 2006 on 17:13 |
| Perhaps as an alternative to GNASH there also is FAD (Open Source Flash Animation Decode library), see http://fad.sourceforge.net/. As that is based on the SDL and cairo graphics libraries that we already have for OS/2 this might be a lot easier to port. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 23 Oct, 2006 on 03:37 |
| "libFAD is an open source Flash Animation Decode library, which was implement in C language from scratch. our goal is to create a powerful and high-performance Flash Animation Decode library for embedded device." Can one port it if it was intended for embedded devices? It would be easier since support - cairo and sdl - support for OS/2-eCS is already there (IIRC).
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 23 Oct, 2006 on 05:33 |
Shouldn't be that hard to build - but currently there's no mozilla/firefox plugin - only a standalone player.... |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | abwillis abwillis1@gmail.com |
| Date | : | 25 Oct, 2006 on 04:00 |
Well even that could be put to use to at least some extent. Mediaplayerconnectivity allows flash to be redirected to a standalone player. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 25 Oct, 2006 on 05:18 |
At least two issues exist in porting this... 1) it uses mmap which doesn't exist in libc |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 26 Oct, 2006 on 14:18 |
Perhaps someone could suggest this to Innotek? They did the Flash for OS/2 (ver 5). Even if it means a fee (within reason of course), it could be worth it to get a more current flash player for eCS.
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | ShyGuy shyguy@shyguysite.com |
| Date | : | 27 Oct, 2006 on 10:45 |
| As soon as something gets working I look forward to beta testing it. Although, with flash 9 out, I hope this doesn't get left behind. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 29 Mar, 2007 on 01:56 |
| There seems to more and more sites that use the newer Flash that not even the unathorized flash for OS/2 can handle. We OS/2-eCS users need a newer flash or something that can run flash.
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Sebadoh sys3175@optonline.net |
| Date | : | 31 Mar, 2007 on 05:07 |
GNASH can run quite a bit of Flash 8 and Flash 9 is planned, the first thing we would need would be a working build of it. Since the original message was posted Cario has been supported as a renderer and OpenGL has actually been dropped as it's primary target in favor of a system which will work on video systems which only present a framebuffer (embeded devices) I also believe there is a somewhat functional firefox plugin for it. Even if it didn't run 100% of the content immediately it would leave us a viable long term solution. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Bry brymelvin@melvinart.com |
| Date | : | 31 Mar, 2007 on 08:37 |
Gnash can be built with Cairo instead of the gl mode///it's inthe gnash docs. Gnash is a project of the FSF it's probably the bests bet to be continued and maintained FWIW it isn;t too bad i just finished building gnash-cairo for another platform |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Shai robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com |
| Date | : | 31 Mar, 2007 on 16:31 |
Where did you read that? I just glanced at the Gnash manual at "Code dependencies" and it says:
So I'd only see two possibilities how to get Gnash built under OS/2: At first, using the AntiGrain 2d graphics library (http://www.antigrain.com/) instead of OpenGl which is not yet ported to OS/2 (at least I couldn't find it at Hobbes) but which shouldn't be that hard according to the project's homepage. This could ensure a decent rendering performance - if the OS/2 frontend would be based on DIVE and not the GPI of course . I have no idea if it would be possible to compile a Mozilla/Firefox plugin with a AGG-based Gnash.Secondly, using our non-accelerated and outdated (but it was said that this doesn't matter in this case) OpenGl/Mesa implementations which would result in relatively low rendering performance and high CPU load - even if it's only 2d graphics but which would allow us to build a Mozilla/Firefox plugin, too. However regarding the power/speed of current desktop/notebook PCs it could be worth a try. Robin |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 31 Mar, 2007 on 18:13 |
I'll try find some time over the next week or so and take a look at gnash - it's been a while.... |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 01 Apr, 2007 on 12:15 |
FWIW - made some progress on the Boost libraries today - these are the last missing dependency I have for gnash. They're not building cleanly yet - but as least I have Boost Jam (the 'make' program used by Boost libs) working enough that it is trying to compile! I'll try post updates on progress to this thread.... |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 01 Apr, 2007 on 22:19 |
| Thanks for the news. It gives hope for those wanting an updated flash.
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 03 Apr, 2007 on 05:21 |
OK - pretty sure I have enough of the Boost libs built now, trying tor esolve some c++ issues between Gnash and our GCC port. PS I hate C++ |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 03 Apr, 2007 on 15:15 |
OK I now get a gnash.exe - get a SIGABRT on startup - but I think I've corrected that - just waiting on a rebuild and some sleep before I test it |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 03 Apr, 2007 on 15:35 |
Well I couldn't resist staying up and waiting for the compile to work ![]() http://download.smedley.info/gnash-cvs20070403-os2.zip Not tested much at all |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Sebadoh sys3175@optonline.net |
| Date | : | 03 Apr, 2007 on 15:50 |
Man.. you are persistant =) |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | cytan |
| Date | : | 03 Apr, 2007 on 19:45 |
| I just tried gnash at abcnews.com: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3003374 but, of course, this didn't quite work. See below. The above url was gotten by clicking on Get Video url. Any pointers? Thanks for the port! cytan
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 01:13 |
| [quote]cytan (03 Apr, 2007 19:52): I just tried gnash at abcnews.com: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3003374 but, of course, this didn't quite work. See below. The above url was gotten by clicking on Get Video url. Any pointers? Thanks for the port! cytan I unzipped the file into the plugins directory. When I go to 'about plugins', it does not show. I tried the site above and was only able to get the audio. Did I install it incorrectly? I look forward to future versions. The effort is appreciated.
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 02:37 |
Does it say anywhere that there is a mozilla plugin?? Currently there is only a standalone exe version. I'm investigating what's required to build a plugin. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Bry brymelvin@melvinart.com |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 09:01 |
| I haven't gotten abc news to work on GNASH linux ppc either....that's the port I recently did. IIRC ABC news needs flash8 to work properly. So THAT problem isn't unique to the OS/2 port FWIW I have almost EVERYTHING working on crossover linux and the latest wine too bad we can't get ODIN up to wine levels |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 09:51 |
I'd suggest that _most_ problems with Gnash/2 playing files will be crossplatform - ie youtube currently doesn't work on Gnash on any platform. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 14:46 |
Perhaps one could WAPE - OS/2 port of WINE - to install the latest FLASH? (when WAPE is released).
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | cytan |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 16:15 |
| I hate to say this, but until there WAPE is released even in alpha form, it's just empty promises and vapourware. cytan
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | zman zirkle@wizard.net |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 17:28 |
| another temp. solution |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | cytan |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 18:32 |
And what is the solution? cytan |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | BigWarpGuy |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 19:33 |
I click on the .exe file and the properties box shows. How does one get it to play flash movies?
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | zman zirkle@wizard.net |
| Date | : | 04 Apr, 2007 on 20:08 |
answer is in the jpg. the flash is v9, ie7, wmv11. if usb was supported that multifunction usb printer would work. for me, this is just like the winos/2 days with a 32bit vm instead of the 16bit that ships with os/2! |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Shai robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com |
| Date | : | 05 Apr, 2007 on 10:37 |
| Cool, that's really great work. Of course it's not quite useful for anyone who has a ... some kind of other ... Flash 7 player already installed - in fact I could'nt find a single flash animation that ran with Gnash but didn't with Flash 7. However I read it's actively developed and soon it will be capable of playing video streams and thus it will be possible to use Youtube with a Gnash (plugin), in which case it would be powerful enough to replace (or to accompany) the old Flash 4/5 players shipped with eComStation. As suspected, the rendering performance is quite low. Takes up at least 95% of my CPU load (1,7 Ghz Celeron) to display animations running at about 10% CPU load using Flash 7. Is this build really linked against OpenGl? If yes it would be interesting to have alternative builds linked against Mesa (or the possibility to load a given DLL dynamically) to compare performances. Currently, sound is scattered, too but I guess that's just because of the high CPU load. Robin |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Cris |
| Date | : | 05 Apr, 2007 on 13:20 |
This should not really be a problem. Bye |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 05 Apr, 2007 on 13:51 |
The current build uses AGG (http://www.antigrain.com/) as the rendering engine. A build using Cairo is also available (http://download.smedley.info/gnash-cvs20070403-os2-cairo.zip) but the Cairo backend isn't fully implemented in Gnash so results may not be as good as the AGG build. YouTube support is being worked on - lulu.tv (apparently) is working.... |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | obiwan |
| Date | : | 05 Apr, 2007 on 19:05 |
| Nice work Smedles! Every time I think OS/2 is just not suited for something, that we have to give it up while enjoying OS/2, someone like you comes along and proves me wrong. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Sebadoh sys3175@optonline.net |
| Date | : | 05 Apr, 2007 on 23:50 |
I would seriously look at your hardware because I was the first person to test out gnash and it uses significantly lower resources then flash 7. On my Athlon64 3000+ it was at less then 5% cpu load playing a movie which runs at 60%+ on flash7. On the other hand it fails whenever it hit mouse input on my machine.
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Sebadoh sys3175@optonline.net |
| Date | : | 05 Apr, 2007 on 23:55 |
You make no sense at all. Gnash is something that with time will be a decent replacement for flash most likely, and even if it isn't we're in the same position as linux so there is really no harm in that. Really the problem with flash on alternate platforms is not unique to OS/2. If you're not running Windows, Macromedia/adobe wants nothing to do with you. But who REALLY cares. The problem is more with the site developers who listen to adobe's bs that you need to keep moving to the newest versions. The site developers should DEMAND that if they want them to keep using flash that macromedia makes a complete opensource flash build available for any alternative OS developer. It is the only way it is going to ever be fixed. zman.. if you feel so strongly that you shouldn't be using OS/2, please stop posting on these forums. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | ECSUser frank.alleyne@gmail.com |
| Date | : | 09 Apr, 2007 on 02:10 |
| Fantastic work Smedles !! and thanks for demonstrating the possibility of porting open source software to OS/2. As some can see all is not lost on this platform. I wonder is you intent to also publish a port of AGG for OS/2 ?
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 09 Apr, 2007 on 03:18 |
Well I could release a build of AGG - but it builds straight out of the box, and I don't really know how many apps use it? |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | ECSUser frank.alleyne@gmail.com |
| Date | : | 10 Apr, 2007 on 06:26 |
Well now I check it seems you are right, but I guess it can't hurt to have |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 10 Apr, 2007 on 12:31 |
| Hi All, Uploaded a new build this evening - http://download.smedley.info/gnash-cvs20070410-os2.zip this one includes the ffmpeg library support so plays more types of Flash video. Still suffers from high cpu usage though. It does seem to be mainly during period of file input/output. Some flash videos preload the video - eg http://download.smedley.info/JibJab_ThisLand.swf - during this loading of the video - CPU usage is high - it then decreases to something more normal after the file is loaded. Do others also see this behaviour? Cheers, Paul. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | ChrisR roossien@gmail.com |
| Date | : | 10 Apr, 2007 on 16:25 |
| This jibjab thing is not working here.. other flashes do work. I get these messages; [G:\Download\tmp]gnash jib.swf Killed by SIGABRT LIBC fatal error - streams: fmutex_request failed Killed by SIGABRT |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | cytan |
| Date | : | 10 Apr, 2007 on 19:46 |
| Hi Paul, I just tried out the jibjab flash. A few observations: (a) a lot of CPU time was used to download the swf. > 95% from top and it took a long time > 5 min. I'm using a T100 line at work. My hardware should be adequate 3.2GHz, sound card perhaps is the problem (?), it's a crystal sound card. cytan
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | ChrisR roossien@gmail.com |
| Date | : | 10 Apr, 2007 on 20:55 |
OK.. I downloaded the flash instead of giving it the link.. ![]() Anyway, I tried again, and indeed during loading the CPU is real high and the sound is crispy It did not take 5 minutes here, not even one minute to load. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | rudi |
| Date | : | 10 Apr, 2007 on 22:28 |
| Here inconsistent behaviour when playing the file from disk multiple times. Some attempts result in: Assertion failed: now > _start, file timers.cpp, line 97 Killed by SIGABRT
During load a bunch of messages like this show up: C:\Incoming>gnash.exe JibJab_ThisLand.swf |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Martin |
| Date | : | 14 Apr, 2007 on 05:50 |
| It will be cool if something can be done with Doodle ScreenSaver and GNASH to have swf screensavers running. |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de |
| Date | : | 03 May, 2007 on 15:30 |
| Hi, just in case someone has missed it out: Paul has sent a note regarding the current state on the voice list:
Smedles, thanks for your ongoing contributions and great work which sets the stage for other developers that build upon what you did - keep on going, man!!! Regards, |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 03 May, 2007 on 23:01 |
No problem at all - I was actually just on my way here to post the link to the new build and found you'd beaten me to it |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | RobertM |
| Date | : | 04 May, 2007 on 22:19 |
| Hi Paul, I notice that your page says there is a Mozilla plugin? Could you tell me if that is something that is completed yet or still a work in progress or something that may not be completed? Thanks - and thanks again for your hard work!!! -Robert
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| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Smedles |
| Date | : | 05 May, 2007 on 08:43 |
Oops - a bit too much copy/paste from the gnash website... a plugin is available for win32 &*nix but not (yet) for OS/2-eCS |
| Subject | : | Re:GNASH open source Flash 7 |
| Author | : | Kim |
| Date | : | 17 May, 2007 on 19:51 |
| This thread has been closed and will continue in the new forum. |