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1. Creative (key drive-like) MP3 player
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I have an MP3 player of my own, a Creative Nomad Muvo 64MB that is a cute
little unit. It's a package that splits into two when you slide one piece
(that looks like a USB key drive with a type A connector and a few controls on
it) out of the other (the part with the battery and presumably the MP3 playing
processor). You connect the USB key drive part to the USB connector on the
computer. To the computer, it looks just like a key drive type mass storage
device. I had to upgrade the basic USB package with the eCS downloadable
update (usb10145.zip) to get it to be recognized by eCS but once I did that, it
looked to work just fine. I got this unit partly because part of Creative's
feature list is "Drag and drop your MP3/WMAs and files straight onto the NOMAD® MuVo. No cables or software are required!" (direct quote from the web page URL, see below). Also, as a 64MB unit, if was fairly cheap so if it didn't work with eCS, I wasn't out too much money.

Soon, my daughter wanted a player too. She saved up her babysitting money and asked me for help in buying one that was compatible with the USB capability with her machine. We settled on a Creative unit (having already returned an iRiver model that claimed a similar feature but really required a Windows device driver), a 1 GB Micro N200 because it seemed to work the same way and claimed that no special software needed. This wasn't a two piece design like mine. It had a type A to type B cable with the type B connector plugging into the unit. The bottom line is that it is not recognized by either "Refresh removables" program object or the USB device monitor which recognizes the other two. The standard key drive works, and my Creative Nomad Muvo 64MB does too but the Creative N200 (the new unit, see URL at bottom) does not.

[Late breaking update: I tried Chris Wohlgemuth's updated USB device drivers but the behavior did not change. However, I noticed as beep sound when the unit was **detatched** from the computer. When you plug it in, the computer doesn't react at all, i.e., no beep, no drive in the the drives folder and no device in the USB device monitor. Upon removal, the following happens in quick succession - you here one beep, the device briefly appears in the USB device monitor, you hear another beep and it's gone. I did this enough times to record the data that appears in the monitor:

# = 1; Vendor=Creative; Product=ID:0x412B; Rev=11.03; # Lang=1; Lang Ids=1033]

Is there anything I can do to get it to work? It seems like it really should
work like the one I've already got. I need to know whether to return the unit
or not. This unit is $130 of hard earned babysitting money (there'll be a $20
rebate if we can get it to work) so spending the money and winding up with
nothing is not an option. I do request as a quick a response as possible since I need to be able to return the device soon. All suggestions are welcomed.
Thanks to all.

-Rocky

Old product URL: http://www.nomadworld.com/products/MuVo/
New product URL:
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=215&product=10737

Date: 04 Jun, 2005 on 16:21
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Hi Rocky,
please try the USB drivers included in MMPORT by Martin Kiewitz (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/mmedia/music/mmportv1.zip) before giving up.
I had a similar problem with my 128Mb USB key. I tried all available drivers with no success, until I tried this one.
I have only a small problem with it: a lengthy boot up time, but I think it is a small price to pay for a working USB key.

Bye

Cris

Date: 04 Jun, 2005 on 23:56
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Eureka! Thank you, thank you, thank you. That is the solution. I replaced the USBD.SYS driver file from it from the stock eCS 10.145 one and it worked. Now I can read and and write files to the player. However, hidden files (EA DATA. SF, WP ROOT. SF) get copied over to the player, lock it up and stop it from playing. Do you know how I canprevent these files from being written to the USB drive under all conditions and circumstances (whether they exist on the source drive/file or not)?

Now, get this. WinXP seems to preserve EAs attached to files. Maybe this is common knowledge to folks but it wasn't to me. While experimenting with the MP3 player, I performed the following. I copied an MP3 file to the player using the WPS. That's when it locked up. Reattaching it, I noticed the hidden files on it and could not delete them using eCS for one reason or another. I took it to a WinXP machine to get it back to a known state. I copied only the music files that we present on the player (which consisted of the demo track supplied with the player and the MP3 test file) to a temporary directory on the WinXP machine to preserve the files figuring that the attributes would be left behind. I went to a command line and tried to delete all files on the player. It deleted the music files but denied me access to hidden file. I formatted the drive. I went through this process twice up to this point to verify what I was seeing was true, once using Explorer and once using the command line to copy only the music files back to the player. In both instances, the hidden file (EA DATA. SF) was recreated on the player locking it up. This was at once amusing (Windows preserving EAs) and confounding (the player kept locking up). Once I could be assured that no hidden files were on the player it worked fine.

So, there you go. Information and a couple of questions. Thanks for you help.

-Rocky

Date: 05 Jun, 2005 on 23:06
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Rocky,
I am VERY happy to know that it worked for you, too.

Regarding EAs... I am really disappointed! I can't believe XP really knows about EAs, unless they stole IBM's FAT code and it got ported over by accident. But it seems not very likely, since IBM's code does not support long file names (i.e. VFAT extensions). If you did not mention formatting the drive I would have bet that the EA file never got really deleted...

As for how to eliminate the two hidden files: the first one (WP ROOT. SF) is easily eliminated by NOT using the WPS to manipulate the drive object... note that it is sufficient to just OPEN the drive object to have the file created. So don't open it

You can prevent the creation of the second file (EA DATA. SF) by previously eliminating the EAs from the files you want to copy. You can use the EAUTIL.EXE tool to do it.

Hope this helps..
Bye

Cris

Date: 06 Jun, 2005 on 14:30
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I've just bought one of these from Creative via eBay (£9.40 [about $20] post free!) , and I wonder how you go about getting MP3 files. I run eCS 1.2 which has stripped the MP3 capability from Chris Wohlgemuth's MM classes, and I have had no luck with Google searches for MP3 - all I get is advert sites. So, how do I get MP3 files unde eCS 1.2?

Stuart

Date: 08 Jun, 2005 on 01:14
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Stuart (08 Jun, 2005 01:14):
I've just bought one of these from Creative via eBay (£9.40 [about $20] post free!) , and I wonder how you go about getting MP3 files. I run eCS 1.2 which has stripped the MP3 capability from Chris Wohlgemuth's MM classes, and I have had no luck with Google searches for MP3 - all I get is advert sites. So, how do I get MP3 files unde eCS 1.2?

Stuart


Download the

http://math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/MMAudioPak/MMAudioPak.zip

Then go to the Yahoo eComStation group files section and download the following package

Modified_Scripts_MMAudioPak.zip
Replacement scripts for MMAudioPak to install only MP3 support to eCS 1.2. Works with the new eCS 1.2 minstall.

Unzip the mmaudiopak to a temporary directory. Replace the scripts in this package with the scripts from the modified scripts package.

Don't use the GUI minstall. It is full of bugs.

To bypass, go to a command prompt. Change to the directory the you unzipped the mmaudio files to.

minstall /F:e:\inbox\io
where e:\inbox\io is a path to I/O Procs package and control.scr

Follow the prompts. If successfull you should get the

Return-Code FE00

Return code FE00 means successfull installation.

David

Date: 08 Jun, 2005 on 02:38
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Modified_Scripts_MMAudioPak.zip
Replacement scripts for MMAudioPak to install only MP3 support to eCS 1.2. Works with the new eCS 1.2 minstall.


Besides working with the new minstall, these scripts just give one the option to install MP3 support only. eCS 1.2 comes with the two other audio formats already installed, so it is not necessary to install them again.

David

Date: 08 Jun, 2005 on 17:44
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Stuart (08 Jun, 2005 01:14):
... Google searches for MP3 - all I get is advert sites. So, how do I get MP3 files unde eCS 1.2?

Stuart


My prefered method of playing MP3's in eCS or OS/2 is with Z!. You can download it at:

http://dink.org/z/

Date: 09 Jun, 2005 on 00:23
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eCS comes with its own media player.

Look in your

Programs folder > Multimedia folder > Media Player.

David

Date: 09 Jun, 2005 on 16:38
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Fahrvenugen (09 Jun, 2005 00:23):

My prefered method of playing MP3's in eCS or OS/2 is with Z!. You can download it at:

http://dink.org/z/[/quote]

I'm really looking for a way to encode MP3 from my CDs

Stuart

Date: 09 Jun, 2005 on 17:00
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Stuart (09 Jun, 2005 17:00):


I'm really looking for a way to encode MP3 from my CDs

Stuart


For that I've ususally used Leech to pull the audio off the CD:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/mmedia/cd/grabber/leech120.zip

You can find other grabbers at:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?sh=1&dir=//pub/os2/apps/mmedia/cd/grabber

And then either LAME or Gogo to encode the wave to MP3. You can find various encoders at:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?sh=1&dir=//pub/os2/apps/mmedia/sound/convert

I usually do the process in 2 steps, however there are a number of applications in those directories on Hobbes which will combine and automate the process.

Date: 09 Jun, 2005 on 17:39
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